north carolina, louisiana, arkansas, montana, alaska, all democrat incumbents and states where obamacare is very unpopular. >> so, why, why did democrats stick with the democrats on obamacare? wouldn't you expect to see some peeling away, some joining with the republicans to defund it and hold it up, delay it for a year? doesn't seem to be happening much. >> well, with the republicans having gone in what i regard as an extreme direction with funding. they've made the loyalty and politics is more than one issue in one day and the white house i'm sure said to those five democrats and others if you don't stay with me on this, don't come to us for campaign help. >> how do you see this going forward politically? we've got the exchanges up and running on october the 1st and more implementation in stages. how do you see-- look, i think it's going to be chaotic. what's the political impact of that? >> well, i think you're raising two questions, first, how will implementation go? and i think that's something time will tell. the indications with the exchanges, the individual mandate, obviously, su